Comments on: Abandoning SubText http://www.singlefounder.com/2009/02/22/abandoning-subtext/ Musings on software and startups from a single founder Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:31:37 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Rob Walling http://www.singlefounder.com/2009/02/22/abandoning-subtext/comment-page-1/#comment-519 Rob Walling Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:48:19 +0000 http://www.miketaber.net/?p=173#comment-519 @Rob - I think Mike's point is that he would never have to dive into the code of WordPress because there are so few issues with it, and any extensions are possible with plugins. I ran on the Community Server blog engine for a few years and ran into similar issues as Mike. When I finally tried to upgrade to the latest version it was so painful that I also opted to take the plunge and move to WordPress since that migration path was as or less complex than upgrading my Community Server installation. You see this pattern over and over as you read bloggers, especially .NET bloggers, who've been around for a few years. And honestly, is the current code base so much better than the one Mike was using as to make his comments invalid? @Rob – I think Mike’s point is that he would never have to dive into the code of WordPress because there are so few issues with it, and any extensions are possible with plugins.

I ran on the Community Server blog engine for a few years and ran into similar issues as Mike. When I finally tried to upgrade to the latest version it was so painful that I also opted to take the plunge and move to WordPress since that migration path was as or less complex than upgrading my Community Server installation. You see this pattern over and over as you read bloggers, especially .NET bloggers, who’ve been around for a few years.

And honestly, is the current code base so much better than the one Mike was using as to make his comments invalid?

]]> By: Fresh look and fresh start - To Dev or not to Dev http://www.singlefounder.com/2009/02/22/abandoning-subtext/comment-page-1/#comment-472 Fresh look and fresh start - To Dev or not to Dev Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:48:00 +0000 http://www.miketaber.net/?p=173#comment-472 [...] I was searching for a new blog engine I was slightly disappointed to read the following article regarding the SubText blog engine, however it did happen to remind me that the codebase is open [...] [...] I was searching for a new blog engine I was slightly disappointed to read the following article regarding the SubText blog engine, however it did happen to remind me that the codebase is open [...]

]]> By: Rob Conery http://www.singlefounder.com/2009/02/22/abandoning-subtext/comment-page-1/#comment-387 Rob Conery Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:53:40 +0000 http://www.miketaber.net/?p=173#comment-387 You know what I think would be a great post is when you dive into the code of Wordpress :). I'm not sure what your point is here - you're criticizing a codebase that's close to 3 years old. I get that you're cranky about it, but hey, there's always blogger :). You know what I think would be a great post is when you dive into the code of Wordpress :) . I’m not sure what your point is here – you’re criticizing a codebase that’s close to 3 years old. I get that you’re cranky about it, but hey, there’s always blogger :) .

]]> By: Simone http://www.singlefounder.com/2009/02/22/abandoning-subtext/comment-page-1/#comment-386 Simone Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:23:21 +0000 http://www.miketaber.net/?p=173#comment-386 You should have upgraded your installation to Subtext 2.0, which is the latest available version. 1.9.3 is a very old version, I think from 2006 You should have upgraded your installation to Subtext 2.0, which is the latest available version.
1.9.3 is a very old version, I think from 2006

]]> By: Haacked http://www.singlefounder.com/2009/02/22/abandoning-subtext/comment-page-1/#comment-385 Haacked Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:14:44 +0000 http://www.miketaber.net/?p=173#comment-385 p.s. Subtext 1.9.3 was released in 2006. That's a positively ancient version in Internet years! ;) p.s. Subtext 1.9.3 was released in 2006. That’s a positively ancient version in Internet years! ;)

]]> By: Haacked http://www.singlefounder.com/2009/02/22/abandoning-subtext/comment-page-1/#comment-384 Haacked Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:12:43 +0000 http://www.miketaber.net/?p=173#comment-384 Hi there, thanks for the critique of Subtext. It's always helpful to get constructive feedback and I'm sorry to see you leave. Even as you leave though, I think you're helping us with your feedback. :) Some of what you experienced has been improved IMMENSELY since 1.9.3, so to use 1.9.3 as your basis of criticism is really outdated. I forked .TEXT a while ago, which was a great blog engine in its own right, but needed a lot of cleanup. That's been part of our focus is to clean it up and make it more usable. I'd like to address some of your criticisms here: 1. That bug has long been fixed. When I started Subtext, we had 0 unit tests. Now we have over 1000 and are approaching 50% code coverage. Again, this is on a legacy codebase. The quality is much much higher today. 2. Reducing complexity has been a key goal. When we started, we tried to make libraries we could share with other projects. For example, our Akismet spam filtering library is not part of the Subkismet project. However, not all of our libraries are used as standalone libraries, so we've been consolidating them. 3. We have a RoadMap http://subtextproject.com/Home/Roadmap/tabid/55/Default.aspx It could use a little love, but it gives the general tenor of what we want to do. 4. Yeah, good point. If we had plugins, what would you want to see? 5. Subtext integrated Akismet a long time ago along with other heuristic based spam engines. I get nearly 0 spam in my comments now. 6. Yeah, what can I say. I do this in my spare time. This is one area I'm really trying to get contributors to help out with. I have somebody who recently said they'd help. Subtext is used by MySpace China for their blogs and GeeksWithBlogs.net hosts several thousand blogs on Subtext. It's come a long way since 1.9.3. And, I bet it's easier to get someone to address your issues with it than many others. ;) Hi there, thanks for the critique of Subtext. It’s always helpful to get constructive feedback and I’m sorry to see you leave. Even as you leave though, I think you’re helping us with your feedback. :)

Some of what you experienced has been improved IMMENSELY since 1.9.3, so to use 1.9.3 as your basis of criticism is really outdated. I forked .TEXT a while ago, which was a great blog engine in its own right, but needed a lot of cleanup. That’s been part of our focus is to clean it up and make it more usable. I’d like to address some of your criticisms here:

1. That bug has long been fixed. When I started Subtext, we had 0 unit tests. Now we have over 1000 and are approaching 50% code coverage. Again, this is on a legacy codebase. The quality is much much higher today.

2. Reducing complexity has been a key goal. When we started, we tried to make libraries we could share with other projects. For example, our Akismet spam filtering library is not part of the Subkismet project. However, not all of our libraries are used as standalone libraries, so we’ve been consolidating them.

3. We have a RoadMap http://subtextproject.com/Home/Roadmap/tabid/55/Default.aspx It could use a little love, but it gives the general tenor of what we want to do.

4. Yeah, good point. If we had plugins, what would you want to see?

5. Subtext integrated Akismet a long time ago along with other heuristic based spam engines. I get nearly 0 spam in my comments now.

6. Yeah, what can I say. I do this in my spare time. This is one area I’m really trying to get contributors to help out with. I have somebody who recently said they’d help.

Subtext is used by MySpace China for their blogs and GeeksWithBlogs.net hosts several thousand blogs on Subtext. It’s come a long way since 1.9.3. And, I bet it’s easier to get someone to address your issues with it than many others. ;)

]]>